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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sorry for new appraisers. Imagine having to learn to be an appraiser in today&#039;s market???? How are they being trained? Is anyone actually going job to job with them to teach them the appropriate way to inspect a home and find comps? I&#039;ve been an appraiser for 15 years. I was taught by an appraiser who was appraising when reports were handwritten. I used real photos and copies of maps with stick on arrows to designate my subject and comps when I started. Looking back I remember thinking how she nitpicked every word and scrutinized every comp. Now, I&#039;m thrilled she did and even though she&#039;s retired, I still go to her when I need to hash out something. But on the other side of the coin, lenders have too much to say about how we do our jobs. Two comps have to be within 3 months and 1 mile, all adjustments have to be bracketed, etc. I&#039;ve worked for AMCs for 15 years. In the beginning, even though the fees stunk, they had advantages. You got plenty of work and there was no one to bust your chops to make a value. Turntime is what aggravates me the most. We&#039;re required to get the report back in 48 hours and then 3 months later, you get a request for an update, because the loan never closed?????!!!!! I tried working for mortgage brokers, but after a few jobs of &quot;not making a number,&quot; I never heard from them again. Realtors and homeowners have no idea what we have to do sometimes. It&#039;s not always the appraiser. Sometimes the lender requires you to put in a comp that &quot;conforms&quot; to their thoughts. That could be why the low ball comp was put into the San Francisco job. The appraiser may not have had a choice. When doing a condo, we&#039;re required to use a sale outside the complex? Why? If you&#039;ve got valid sales within the complex, why go somewhere else? Just doesn&#039;t make sense to me. I&#039;ve also been told by borrowers, that after I&#039;ve given my value, the bank will just say no, they don&#039;t agree with it so this is what they think!! I agonize over EVERY job I do these days and it doesn&#039;t matter how much I get paid. We can only work with what we have. Most times, the sales are limited so experience is key. I would not want to be an appraiser starting out today. I agree the 1004MC is a worthless form. I also think the HVCC could be a good tool, if used properly. Appraisers can work anywhere as long as they do the proper research required and have access to the necessary data. And, I&#039;m sorry...I have a lot of friends who are realtors, but some are clueless to what&#039;s going on in their areas as to depreciation. If I&#039;m appraising a Raised Ranch, don&#039;t show me Colonials for comps in a different school district or town. There&#039;s also something important that people should remember. Realtors work on commission, as do mortgage brokers.....appraisers do not. If a buyers make an offer that the realtor thinks may be a little high, will they tell the buyer that? I&#039;m sure there are some that will, because they are not thinking dollar signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for new appraisers. Imagine having to learn to be an appraiser in today&#8217;s market???? How are they being trained? Is anyone actually going job to job with them to teach them the appropriate way to inspect a home and find comps? I&#8217;ve been an appraiser for 15 years. I was taught by an appraiser who was appraising when reports were handwritten. I used real photos and copies of maps with stick on arrows to designate my subject and comps when I started. Looking back I remember thinking how she nitpicked every word and scrutinized every comp. Now, I&#8217;m thrilled she did and even though she&#8217;s retired, I still go to her when I need to hash out something. But on the other side of the coin, lenders have too much to say about how we do our jobs. Two comps have to be within 3 months and 1 mile, all adjustments have to be bracketed, etc. I&#8217;ve worked for AMCs for 15 years. In the beginning, even though the fees stunk, they had advantages. You got plenty of work and there was no one to bust your chops to make a value. Turntime is what aggravates me the most. We&#8217;re required to get the report back in 48 hours and then 3 months later, you get a request for an update, because the loan never closed?????!!!!! I tried working for mortgage brokers, but after a few jobs of &#8220;not making a number,&#8221; I never heard from them again. Realtors and homeowners have no idea what we have to do sometimes. It&#8217;s not always the appraiser. Sometimes the lender requires you to put in a comp that &#8220;conforms&#8221; to their thoughts. That could be why the low ball comp was put into the San Francisco job. The appraiser may not have had a choice. When doing a condo, we&#8217;re required to use a sale outside the complex? Why? If you&#8217;ve got valid sales within the complex, why go somewhere else? Just doesn&#8217;t make sense to me. I&#8217;ve also been told by borrowers, that after I&#8217;ve given my value, the bank will just say no, they don&#8217;t agree with it so this is what they think!! I agonize over EVERY job I do these days and it doesn&#8217;t matter how much I get paid. We can only work with what we have. Most times, the sales are limited so experience is key. I would not want to be an appraiser starting out today. I agree the 1004MC is a worthless form. I also think the HVCC could be a good tool, if used properly. Appraisers can work anywhere as long as they do the proper research required and have access to the necessary data. And, I&#8217;m sorry&#8230;I have a lot of friends who are realtors, but some are clueless to what&#8217;s going on in their areas as to depreciation. If I&#8217;m appraising a Raised Ranch, don&#8217;t show me Colonials for comps in a different school district or town. There&#8217;s also something important that people should remember. Realtors work on commission, as do mortgage brokers&#8230;..appraisers do not. If a buyers make an offer that the realtor thinks may be a little high, will they tell the buyer that? I&#8217;m sure there are some that will, because they are not thinking dollar signs.</p>
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		<title>By: Certified Appraiser Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Certified Appraiser Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were the great Kahuna for a day, the first thing I would do at 00:00:00:01 would be to get rid of the AMCs.  But, I might consider keeping the HVCC.

Even before the HVCC, AMCs were a bunch of parasites adding no value to the appraisal process.  When Como went after eAppraiseIT, I thought things would get better.  But, in comes HVCC and out goes carte blanche to the AMCs.

What I don’t understand is with all of the barbs being cast about among appraisers and Realtors; doesn’t it seem a bit far fetched that the collective bunch in one profession would be trying to intentionally ruin the collective bunch in another profession?

The fact of the matter is the American way of life centers around making a buck.  And like a herd of cattle, we all gravitate to where the grass is greener.  Just look at any new, creative, successful entrepreneurial effort and see how it attracts copycats.  Since HVCC, 15 companies I personally know of have offered to provide me with a list of AMCs or to market me to the AMCs for a fee.

The housing bubble, like the dot com bubble was brought on by greed, plain and simple.  The lure of the rich and famous lifestyle is a strong motivator for the American capitalist.

Supply and demand drives the market, not realtors, not appraisers, and not mortgage brokers.  The makings of a “Perfect Financial Storm” were seeded by the interest rate reductions designed to stimulate the demand for housing.  As demand increased, prices of vacant lots and materials went up and new home prices followed.  When land and home prices increased faster than the stock market, investors came running and figured out how to make “flipping” very lucrative.

From a Realtor’s or appraiser’s perspective, there was plenty of data to support the inflated prices.  Both professionals were aware the data supported the high prices but intuitively, both knew the value just wasn’t there.  There were a lot of realty professionals who predicted the meltdown along with the foreclosures.  But, while the ruckus was going on, what do you do?  Say, “Here’s the data but don’t believe it because I know it’s phony, the real value is what I say it is.”  I don’t think so.

The same is true on the downside.  The “Flipping Investors” were the first to stick the banks and create the “Short” inventory.  The sale of those properties along with a huge inventory of undervalued properties created the declining market.  What do we do now?  Say, “Here’s the data but don’t believe it because I know it’s phony, the real value is what I say it is.”  I don’t think so.

Appraisers are ethically bound to provide an objective opinion of value without any bias, outside influence or self-serving interest.  They are generally licensed by their state of residence and can do an appraisal anywhere (that is ANYWHERE) within that state.  The license does not specify a community, city, county or any other limiting locale.  I don’t like the idea of an out of town appraiser horning in on my turf, but being out of town doesn’t disqualify the credentials.  The appraisal process is a cut and dry procedure using hard data and can be done anywhere.  What is critical to be a successful appraiser is inquisitiveness and persistence.   When you erode the time to do both, the quality of the appraisal suffers, not because of where the appraiser lives.

The problem we now have is the AMCs.  AMCs are evil!!

For less than what is paid to fast food burger flippers, appraisers are expected to: research properties and analyze past and future market trends, do a field inspection of the Subject and comps, do more research because the results of the first research had garbage for data, complete a full report within 24 hours of the order and be constantly available for follow up and changes.  And, if you don’t perform according to their timeline, your fee gets reduced and you’re put on a “Do Not Call” list.  I defy anyone to tell me they could or would want to complete the assignment flawlessly.

There are still good appraisers trying to perform good appraisals for slave wages.  When they finally become disgusted and leave, the ones taking short cuts in order to do the volume will be left and the appraisal report will become totally worthless just like the 1004MC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were the great Kahuna for a day, the first thing I would do at 00:00:00:01 would be to get rid of the AMCs.  But, I might consider keeping the HVCC.</p>
<p>Even before the HVCC, AMCs were a bunch of parasites adding no value to the appraisal process.  When Como went after eAppraiseIT, I thought things would get better.  But, in comes HVCC and out goes carte blanche to the AMCs.</p>
<p>What I don’t understand is with all of the barbs being cast about among appraisers and Realtors; doesn’t it seem a bit far fetched that the collective bunch in one profession would be trying to intentionally ruin the collective bunch in another profession?</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is the American way of life centers around making a buck.  And like a herd of cattle, we all gravitate to where the grass is greener.  Just look at any new, creative, successful entrepreneurial effort and see how it attracts copycats.  Since HVCC, 15 companies I personally know of have offered to provide me with a list of AMCs or to market me to the AMCs for a fee.</p>
<p>The housing bubble, like the dot com bubble was brought on by greed, plain and simple.  The lure of the rich and famous lifestyle is a strong motivator for the American capitalist.</p>
<p>Supply and demand drives the market, not realtors, not appraisers, and not mortgage brokers.  The makings of a “Perfect Financial Storm” were seeded by the interest rate reductions designed to stimulate the demand for housing.  As demand increased, prices of vacant lots and materials went up and new home prices followed.  When land and home prices increased faster than the stock market, investors came running and figured out how to make “flipping” very lucrative.</p>
<p>From a Realtor’s or appraiser’s perspective, there was plenty of data to support the inflated prices.  Both professionals were aware the data supported the high prices but intuitively, both knew the value just wasn’t there.  There were a lot of realty professionals who predicted the meltdown along with the foreclosures.  But, while the ruckus was going on, what do you do?  Say, “Here’s the data but don’t believe it because I know it’s phony, the real value is what I say it is.”  I don’t think so.</p>
<p>The same is true on the downside.  The “Flipping Investors” were the first to stick the banks and create the “Short” inventory.  The sale of those properties along with a huge inventory of undervalued properties created the declining market.  What do we do now?  Say, “Here’s the data but don’t believe it because I know it’s phony, the real value is what I say it is.”  I don’t think so.</p>
<p>Appraisers are ethically bound to provide an objective opinion of value without any bias, outside influence or self-serving interest.  They are generally licensed by their state of residence and can do an appraisal anywhere (that is ANYWHERE) within that state.  The license does not specify a community, city, county or any other limiting locale.  I don’t like the idea of an out of town appraiser horning in on my turf, but being out of town doesn’t disqualify the credentials.  The appraisal process is a cut and dry procedure using hard data and can be done anywhere.  What is critical to be a successful appraiser is inquisitiveness and persistence.   When you erode the time to do both, the quality of the appraisal suffers, not because of where the appraiser lives.</p>
<p>The problem we now have is the AMCs.  AMCs are evil!!</p>
<p>For less than what is paid to fast food burger flippers, appraisers are expected to: research properties and analyze past and future market trends, do a field inspection of the Subject and comps, do more research because the results of the first research had garbage for data, complete a full report within 24 hours of the order and be constantly available for follow up and changes.  And, if you don’t perform according to their timeline, your fee gets reduced and you’re put on a “Do Not Call” list.  I defy anyone to tell me they could or would want to complete the assignment flawlessly.</p>
<p>There are still good appraisers trying to perform good appraisals for slave wages.  When they finally become disgusted and leave, the ones taking short cuts in order to do the volume will be left and the appraisal report will become totally worthless just like the 1004MC.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB says; It is about time your industry has become more regulated.

Well JB, doing something for the sake of saying you did something does not help consumers.

Frustrated in San Fran is an example. Wells Fargo uses a AMC, in fact they likely owned the AMC that did the appraisal in San Fran mentioned above.....That&#039;s a pretty stupid design if the plan is to help consumers, don&#039;t you think?

Realtors have a right to be up in arms and so do borrowers...HVCC is FUBAR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB says; It is about time your industry has become more regulated.</p>
<p>Well JB, doing something for the sake of saying you did something does not help consumers.</p>
<p>Frustrated in San Fran is an example. Wells Fargo uses a AMC, in fact they likely owned the AMC that did the appraisal in San Fran mentioned above&#8230;..That&#8217;s a pretty stupid design if the plan is to help consumers, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Realtors have a right to be up in arms and so do borrowers&#8230;HVCC is FUBAR</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i recently got an appraisal and it was higher than any of the market analysis by 40,000.  what do you do when no comparable houses have sold recently, within 6 months</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recently got an appraisal and it was higher than any of the market analysis by 40,000.  what do you do when no comparable houses have sold recently, within 6 months</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems amazing to me that early on in the bubble, it was obvious that appraisers, realtors and banks were in collusion- writing the value at whatever the bank and realtor decided on. I have no sympathy for ANY of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems amazing to me that early on in the bubble, it was obvious that appraisers, realtors and banks were in collusion- writing the value at whatever the bank and realtor decided on. I have no sympathy for ANY of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated in San Francisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frustrated in San Francisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certified Appraiser, thanks for your comments - I agree, the $300K spread in &quot;comps&quot; was an immediate red flag.    

There were several other issues with the original appraisal that I detailed out to my broker when we first got the appraisal. At the time, it didn&#039;t seem worth really pursuing since the $720K value he came up with was high enough to support the loan value. It was once WF&#039;s internal people got involved that it really went bad and they decided the $556K comp was the right one. 

But the reality is that the $556K comp should never have been included in the first place.  The next lowest comp was at $680K - even though that would still have been too low, if necessary, I could have come up with the $20,000 to get to an 80% loan value.  

I had the misfortune to be refinancing just as the new regulations took effect.  As a result of an incompetent appraiser, I lost out on getting a 4.75% fixed rate 30 year loan ... a rate that I never expect to see again.  But then again, I consider myself lucky that I was only trying to refinance and not to sell or purchase a property.

As I regroup and consider my current refinancing options, my mortgage broker is providing a list of questions to ask the appraiser so that I can request a different one if I&#039;m not satisfied with their qualifications.

The irony I see in all of this is that while inflated appraisals may have contributed to the housing crash, the pendulum has swung so far the other direction that overly conservative appraisals are now working against any recovery or stablization in the housing markets.  When well-qualified loan applicants aren&#039;t able to get loans because the appraisals are unrealistically low, it just contributes to the downward spiral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certified Appraiser, thanks for your comments &#8211; I agree, the $300K spread in &#8220;comps&#8221; was an immediate red flag.    </p>
<p>There were several other issues with the original appraisal that I detailed out to my broker when we first got the appraisal. At the time, it didn&#8217;t seem worth really pursuing since the $720K value he came up with was high enough to support the loan value. It was once WF&#8217;s internal people got involved that it really went bad and they decided the $556K comp was the right one. </p>
<p>But the reality is that the $556K comp should never have been included in the first place.  The next lowest comp was at $680K &#8211; even though that would still have been too low, if necessary, I could have come up with the $20,000 to get to an 80% loan value.  </p>
<p>I had the misfortune to be refinancing just as the new regulations took effect.  As a result of an incompetent appraiser, I lost out on getting a 4.75% fixed rate 30 year loan &#8230; a rate that I never expect to see again.  But then again, I consider myself lucky that I was only trying to refinance and not to sell or purchase a property.</p>
<p>As I regroup and consider my current refinancing options, my mortgage broker is providing a list of questions to ask the appraiser so that I can request a different one if I&#8217;m not satisfied with their qualifications.</p>
<p>The irony I see in all of this is that while inflated appraisals may have contributed to the housing crash, the pendulum has swung so far the other direction that overly conservative appraisals are now working against any recovery or stablization in the housing markets.  When well-qualified loan applicants aren&#8217;t able to get loans because the appraisals are unrealistically low, it just contributes to the downward spiral.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just tried to refinance a first and second mortgage into one to capatilize on the low interest rates in May.  Our house appraised for 240K 2 years ago when we took out the second mortgage.  We subsequently put 30K into a new kitchen, hardwood floors throughout, including custom wood up the steps. Needless to say, post HVCC, our house was ridiculously low-balled by the appraisal company at 208K.  Even with all the upgrades...3300 sq ft, 5 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, completely upgraded/remodeled.  We both have nearly 800 credit scores and hefty salaries, but could not capitalize on the refi due to inadaquate equity. They would not even consider adjustments even after I pointed out several flaws with comparables - large things, like I have a lot twice the size as theirs, I have a fenced in yard when they do not, some of them had no finished basement, which I do...two had no walkout basement and I did (they have a concrete patio, when I have a walkout with concrete patio and then a large cedar deck up on the main level). I even have a Cook&#039;s storage building - 16 by 10 with a loft and none of the others even have extra storage. The mortgage lender paid this appraisal company $350 of my money for a kid about my son&#039;s age, 20, to come out, send less than 15 minutes at my house and provide absolutely now value in my opinion. The appraisal system is badly broken and needs to be fixed!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tried to refinance a first and second mortgage into one to capatilize on the low interest rates in May.  Our house appraised for 240K 2 years ago when we took out the second mortgage.  We subsequently put 30K into a new kitchen, hardwood floors throughout, including custom wood up the steps. Needless to say, post HVCC, our house was ridiculously low-balled by the appraisal company at 208K.  Even with all the upgrades&#8230;3300 sq ft, 5 bedrooms, 3.5 baths, completely upgraded/remodeled.  We both have nearly 800 credit scores and hefty salaries, but could not capitalize on the refi due to inadaquate equity. They would not even consider adjustments even after I pointed out several flaws with comparables &#8211; large things, like I have a lot twice the size as theirs, I have a fenced in yard when they do not, some of them had no finished basement, which I do&#8230;two had no walkout basement and I did (they have a concrete patio, when I have a walkout with concrete patio and then a large cedar deck up on the main level). I even have a Cook&#8217;s storage building &#8211; 16 by 10 with a loft and none of the others even have extra storage. The mortgage lender paid this appraisal company $350 of my money for a kid about my son&#8217;s age, 20, to come out, send less than 15 minutes at my house and provide absolutely now value in my opinion. The appraisal system is badly broken and needs to be fixed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Meyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately it seems to me that we had a bad situation 2004-2007 with no regulations on appraisers, and all the cards on the table as far as the values the realtors and loan officers needed.  So now we regulate and regulate too excess.  Causing appraisers who want to stay in business and not be black listed to give the lowest values possible to keep business coming in the door.  The lenders win if they only invest in absolute clean deals with high equity positions borrowers.
The problem is the market is dominated by repos and short sales and so the sellers are the banks and the investors for our buyers are the banks.  It seems to me the realtor once loan officer that all the new regulations are to protect the banks from getting themselves into this mess, without any consideration for the consumers who just want to be approved for a home purchase and have committed no crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it seems to me that we had a bad situation 2004-2007 with no regulations on appraisers, and all the cards on the table as far as the values the realtors and loan officers needed.  So now we regulate and regulate too excess.  Causing appraisers who want to stay in business and not be black listed to give the lowest values possible to keep business coming in the door.  The lenders win if they only invest in absolute clean deals with high equity positions borrowers.<br />
The problem is the market is dominated by repos and short sales and so the sellers are the banks and the investors for our buyers are the banks.  It seems to me the realtor once loan officer that all the new regulations are to protect the banks from getting themselves into this mess, without any consideration for the consumers who just want to be approved for a home purchase and have committed no crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Certified Appraiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Certified Appraiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frustrated, I hear your pain. It sounds like you unfortunately had one of those appraisers who do not know how to appraise as I mentioned in my previous post. 

The first red flag, a $324K spread in the &quot;adjusted&quot; value range. They clearly were not using truly comparable sales, and had no idea how to extract appropriate adjustments from market data. At most, the range in adjusted values should not exceed about 20% from high to low, and it seems obvious they did no market comparison to account for the premium view characteristics of your property. 

It&#039;s an unfortunately all too common factor I&#039;m seeing more and more these days - lazy, incompetent and unethical appraisers causing everyone pain - home owners, buyers, sellers, Realtors and honest, competent appraisers. 

You do have a possible recourse at least with regards to this specific appraisal. You can have the appraisal reviewed by another appraiser you trust in your area, and if the appraisal consists of errors, ommissions, or inaccurate market analysis, you should file a complaint with your state appraisal licensing and certification board. This is the only way to weed out the people who shouldn&#039;t be in the appraisal business. It certainly won&#039;t get the loan you want from WF, but you may find some peace of mind. 

The thing you do have going for you with the HVCC if you persue another lender is that the previous appraisal can&#039;t be used. Also, not all lenders are relying on AMC appraisers. Find a large local bank or top mortgage banker in your area who has set up an in-house HVCC compliant appraiser selection process. These places will likely have had business relationships with the best appraisers in town and will likely have these appraisers included in their compliant selection database. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frustrated, I hear your pain. It sounds like you unfortunately had one of those appraisers who do not know how to appraise as I mentioned in my previous post. </p>
<p>The first red flag, a $324K spread in the &#8220;adjusted&#8221; value range. They clearly were not using truly comparable sales, and had no idea how to extract appropriate adjustments from market data. At most, the range in adjusted values should not exceed about 20% from high to low, and it seems obvious they did no market comparison to account for the premium view characteristics of your property. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an unfortunately all too common factor I&#8217;m seeing more and more these days &#8211; lazy, incompetent and unethical appraisers causing everyone pain &#8211; home owners, buyers, sellers, Realtors and honest, competent appraisers. </p>
<p>You do have a possible recourse at least with regards to this specific appraisal. You can have the appraisal reviewed by another appraiser you trust in your area, and if the appraisal consists of errors, ommissions, or inaccurate market analysis, you should file a complaint with your state appraisal licensing and certification board. This is the only way to weed out the people who shouldn&#8217;t be in the appraisal business. It certainly won&#8217;t get the loan you want from WF, but you may find some peace of mind. </p>
<p>The thing you do have going for you with the HVCC if you persue another lender is that the previous appraisal can&#8217;t be used. Also, not all lenders are relying on AMC appraisers. Find a large local bank or top mortgage banker in your area who has set up an in-house HVCC compliant appraiser selection process. These places will likely have had business relationships with the best appraisers in town and will likely have these appraisers included in their compliant selection database. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is about time your industry has become more regulated. For far to long mortgage brokers and appraisers have been cutting corners only to line there own pockets and not thinking about long term market effects. The securities world has to deal with the SEC, NASD/FINRA, and compliance officers on a daily basis. I am sure if your industry were under the same scrutiny from the government that securities world is, we would not have had the extremely bloated housing prices nor as half as many mortgage defaults. In my opinion, the government is getting more involved not to assist appraisers or lenders but to make sure the general public is not getting taken advantage of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is about time your industry has become more regulated. For far to long mortgage brokers and appraisers have been cutting corners only to line there own pockets and not thinking about long term market effects. The securities world has to deal with the SEC, NASD/FINRA, and compliance officers on a daily basis. I am sure if your industry were under the same scrutiny from the government that securities world is, we would not have had the extremely bloated housing prices nor as half as many mortgage defaults. In my opinion, the government is getting more involved not to assist appraisers or lenders but to make sure the general public is not getting taken advantage of.</p>
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